Journalist Glenn Greenwald said that there is a massive separation between former President Donald Trump and the establishment when it comes to getting the United States involved in foreign wars.

He spoke to Fox News host Laura Ingraham where he explained that Trump’s position is more based on morality than his opponent, Democrat presidential nominee, Vice President Kamala Harris’ is.

“I really think it’s his instinct when he ran in 2016. He did so based on a central pledge to depart from the Bush, Cheney, Obama foreign policy orthodoxy, the orthodoxy of D.C. to just constantly pursue endless wars that benefit a tiny number of people at the expense of most American citizens,” he said to the host.

“And he was, in fact, whatever else you think of him, the only president in decades not to involve the United States in a new war. He inherited a couple from Obama, but he never involved the United States in a new war, the first president in decades,” the journalist said.

“And what I think is so notable, Laura, is that when he talks about war, he talks about it the way any moral person should by saying the problem with war is actually that it kills huge number of people. It takes immense amounts of lives. You will never hear Kamala Harris talk that way. You’ll never hear her suggest a diplomatic solution, because in Democratic Party politics, suggesting that is taboo. It provokes accusation of being a Russian agent,” he said.

“We’re not even talking about the number of people who’ve been killed. Do you notice that’s never even mentioned? I mean, it’s astronomical. I don’t even think we know the final or the current tally. These facts are heartbreaking,” the host said.

“Well, I mean, we fight in a lot of wars. We participate in a lot of wars. We fund a lot of wars. And we almost never talk about the dead of the countries we don’t care about. And this is what offended me so much was from the beginning, the claim of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris was, we have to fund the war in Ukraine, because we have to protect Ukraine and Ukrainians, when in reality, what they were after was the destruction of Ukraine, killing huge numbers of Ukrainians to serve this broader geopolitical goal that I don’t really understand. I don’t think anyone understands why we have, which is to weaken Russia,” the journalist said.

“And they’ve now explicitly been saying, oh, don’t worry about this war. It’s only young Ukrainians and increasingly middle-aged Ukrainians who don’t actually want to fight, but who are forced to being used as cannon fodder. It’s so grotesquely immoral, especially because it was inevitable all along that what is happening now is what was going to happen, which is Russia being a massively bigger country was always going to win this war,” he said.