Peter Thiel, one of the founders of PayPal, believes that Democrats will cheat to steal the presidency if the election is close.

He appeared on the “All-In” podcast and said that he believes Democrats do it often and the only way to stop it is to have a massive victory.

“If it is going to be close, by the way, if it is a razor-thin close election, I’m pretty sure Kamala will win because they will cheat. They will cheat. They will fortify it. They will steal the ballots. In the event that it is close, I don’t want to be involved. In the event that it is not close, I don’t need to be involved. So that it is a straightforward analysis right there,” said Thiel.

“How much cheating to you think happens every year?” the host wondered.

“You need to be careful with the verb. Cheating, stealing — implies something happens in the dark of night. I think the verb you’re allowed to use is ‘fortify.’ Like ballot harvesting, all these rule changes were sort of done in plain daylight. I think our elections are not perfectly clean. Otherwise, we could examine it and have a vigorous debate about it,” the PayPal founder said.

“What would you change then?” one of the hosts asked.

“I don’t know. At a minimum, you’d try to run elections the same way you do it in every other Western democracy. You have one-day voting. You have practically no absentee ballots. It’s one day where everything happens, it’s not this two-month elongated process. That the way they do it in every other country. You’d have a somewhat stronger voter ID and make sure that the people who are voting have a right to vote. That’s basically what they do in every other Western democracy, and it used to be more like that in the U.S. It has meaningfully decayed over the last 20-30 years,” the investor said.

“30-40 years ago, you got the results on the day of the vote. That sort of stopped happening,” Thiel added.